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Guide : Numerical MP Management

Discussion in 'Toram Online Game Guides' started by Monochrome, Aug 11, 2015.

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  1. Tinuviel

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    Thats my result ...
    12 ampr per hit (auto base) > 9 hits x 12 ampr = 108 mp
    Sober lvl1 + 3 ampr
    15 ampr per hit > 7 hits x 15 ampr = 105 mp
    Sober lvl5 + 15 ampr (your result)
    27 ampr per hit > 4 hits x 27 ampr = 108 mp

    But i need 7 hits @ sober lvl. 5 to full fill 1 mp bar, why ?
     
  2. Mugami

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    You're counting each single hit in an auto attack sequence, aren't you?
     
  3. Mugami

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    I'll do a vid and post link so you can see how it works. And if this last update has changed it we can both see how. I'll post in a few hours.
     
  4. Tinuviel

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    Yes, auto attack double hits (1attack with 2 dmg numbers) count as single one
     
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  5. Tinuviel

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    Thx, i'm looking 4ward to see it
     
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    This ain't the best video.my phone broke and I just got the new one a few hours ago (literally).

    But you can clearly see that sober 10 is 30 ampr in the vid.
     
  7. Tinuviel

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    Iam sry, count your hits > 8 hits for 2mp bars
    200mp / 8 hits = 25mp
    25mp - 12 mp (auto base) = 13 mp / per hit (sober)
    Without calculation of sober mp recovery per 3sec.
    (naturell mp recovery during battle)
    ... ?
    So higher aspd means faster recharge per sec. > more hits at same time
    If you double the hits per sec (higher aspd),
    you need more then the half time because naturell mp rec. during battle still recovers
    same mp per 3sec.
    Hope you understand my point of view
    Because english language "wasn't my first love" ;-)
     
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  8. Mugami

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    -_- dude

    30x6 =180mp
    And the regen is not immediately seen. It takes 0-2 seconds.
    Natural regen is 30 every 3 seconds which is also easy to see.
     
  9. Tinuviel

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    Dont understand, but in the vid. :
    You hit 8 times
    First hit at the 6. Sec. - last hit at the 20. Sec.
    ~ 15sec. / 3sec. ( 1 tick ) = 5 ticks
    Your answers are :
    1. Sober analysis lvl. 10 > 30 ampr - 30 mp per attack/hit
    2. Sober analysis lvl. 10 > 30 mp regen per tick during battle > 30 mp per 3sec.

    So:
    5 ticks x 30 mp = 150 mp (naturell mp reg. with sober in battle ?)
    8 hits with 30 mp = 240 mp (sober ampr)
    8 hits with 12 mp = 96 mp (base ampr)
    150 mpr + 240 mp + 96 mp = 486 mp
    Maybe the regen isn't immediately seen,
    But you recover only 200 mp = 2mp bar
    or is 1mp bar more then 100 mp ?

    FALSE ?
     
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  10. Tinuviel

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    Sober Analysis-No Limit Regenerate MP during battles. The healing amount is small.

    I thought there are 4 things :
    1. During battle no naturell mp regen
    2. Every auto attack hit = 12 mp back = 12 ampr
    3. Sober analysis allows naturell mp regen during battle
    4. Sober analysis gives (?) + xyz ampr

    So if we got 25 mp back per hit (only ampr, not naturell mp regen during battle because sober analysis), we subtract the 12 ampr auto attack base.
    So the real ampr of sober analysis 13 mp per hit.

    FALSE ?
     
  11. Mugami

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    1. You only see me ampr 5 Times
    2. You see me Nat regen 2 Times
    3. Three of Sober's ampr did not appear yet.
    4. The last Nat regen you can see moving but didn't kick in before I closed the vid.
    5. (2x30)+(5×30)=60+150=210 is sober
    6. 210+(5×12)=270 this is what is seen
    7. (3×12)+30+(3×30)=36+30+90=156
    8. 156 is not seen in the video.
    9. 270+156=426

    The reason there is "lag" in Sober's ampr is because some douches were using sober to do an infinite mp hack. The devs fixed the cheat by making ampr have to talk to the server. Server and device both keep track of ampr now. If your value does not match the server value and you're not dced, you get flagged.
     
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  12. Tinuviel

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    So if you start at 0mp - you see 270mp after "vid", but really have 426mp?
    And the 156 mp are seen a few sec later ... So i have to wait this few sec. for it to attack with a 400mp skill or can attack immediately ?
    Thx for explanation by the way
    :)
     
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    You have to give it about 2 seconds. Then you can use the 400 mp skill.
     
  14. Tinuviel

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    Ok i try :)
    Last 2 Hours i tested at forest wolf the mp regen...
    I shot low dmg skills to use all mp...
    Then 1 or 2 auto attacks ....
    Then run around without attack ...
    Sometimes mp regen... Then it stops...long time no regen
    Nothing... After next auto attack sometimes mp regen
    Sometimes nothing ... I go on testing
     
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  15. Mugami

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    Yeah they started this in 2/24/16 update. Lol
    They need to fix the lag.
    Also if your game dcs often; you may have it not register that you attacked.
     
  16. Tinuviel

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    Yeah maybe ... Last test shows that every hit gives mp on mp bar
    immediately ( hit mp hit mp ...)
    1. Test with no ampr on my stuff - low ampr per hit
    2. Test with + 13 ampr on stuff - better ampr per hit (4-5 hits full fill 1 mp bar)
    > both tests show no "extra" mp gain after stoping attacks - still in battle but only runing around ... - So no extra like 156 mp in your test/vid.
    Still hope for fix
    :)
     
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  17. Mugami

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    Watch video again. You'll see a light spot on the mp bar. It moves from left to right. That is natural mp regen. This occurs continuously.
     
  18. Tinuviel

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    K understand ... maybe i have low mana 420/470 - so regen is low because mp regen is in % of mana back per tick ?
    And 1 tick in battle is 3sec, right ?
    Oh and my sober is only lvl 5..... for tests
     
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  19. Tinuviel

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    Point 7 and 8:
    3x12 - base auto ampr - 3 hits
    3x30 - sober ampr - 3 hits
    1x30 - sober mp regen nat. > 156 mp
    > i have to wait for a few sec. Then i will see
    But in my tests nothing happens... After stoping attacks
     
  20. Mugami

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    Total Mp has no effect
     
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